1 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:03,189 we all know things behave differently in 2 00:00:07,670 --> 00:00:05,279 microgravity but knowing exactly how 3 00:00:09,910 --> 00:00:07,680 materials behave is vital to future 4 00:00:12,070 --> 00:00:09,920 space flight and it's already helping 5 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:12,080 improve products here on earth let's 6 00:00:15,829 --> 00:00:14,080 head out now to the payload operations 7 00:00:18,470 --> 00:00:15,839 integration center at the marshall space 8 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:18,480 flight center with lori mexis to tell us 9 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:21,600 more about materials research laurie 10 00:00:25,509 --> 00:00:23,199 the missy or materials on the 11 00:00:27,189 --> 00:00:25,519 international space station experiment 12 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:27,199 has been studying the way materials 13 00:00:31,750 --> 00:00:28,960 behave in the harsh microgravity 14 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:31,760 environment since 2001 and much has been 15 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:33,760 learned i recently spoke with one of its 16 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:35,680 principal investigators kim degrow from 17 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,640 the glim research center to learn more 18 00:00:42,869 --> 00:00:40,960 missy is the materials international 19 00:00:44,950 --> 00:00:42,879 space station experiment 20 00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:44,960 and it's a series of materials 21 00:00:49,190 --> 00:00:46,399 experiments that are flown on the 22 00:00:51,910 --> 00:00:49,200 outside of space station so we can study 23 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:51,920 the uh durability of materials and 24 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:54,399 devices in the space environment 25 00:01:00,470 --> 00:00:56,960 what number are we on now well missy 26 00:01:03,670 --> 00:01:00,480 eight is uh actually it's the tenth of a 27 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:03,680 suitcase size tray that was flown and it 28 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:06,560 was up in space for two years and it was 29 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,439 recently returned during the space x3 30 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:12,000 mission and returned to earth in the 31 00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:13,920 dragon capsules 32 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:16,560 so we've done this for so many years 33 00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:18,479 what are some of the highlights and key 34 00:01:21,830 --> 00:01:20,000 points that we've learned of how 35 00:01:24,230 --> 00:01:21,840 materials behave in space 36 00:01:27,030 --> 00:01:24,240 the missy experiments have provided a 37 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:27,040 very wide variety of 38 00:01:31,270 --> 00:01:28,880 information on the environmental 39 00:01:34,230 --> 00:01:31,280 degradation of materials in the space 40 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:34,240 environment and also on devices and how 41 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:36,159 they perform in the very harsh space 42 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:38,640 environment and every mission we have 43 00:01:42,469 --> 00:01:40,400 flown different types of experiments 44 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:42,479 with different kinds of samples 45 00:01:46,870 --> 00:01:44,960 and we learn different things each time 46 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:46,880 and we're also finding now that 47 00:01:51,590 --> 00:01:49,280 sometimes we'll refly the same material 48 00:01:54,149 --> 00:01:51,600 on different missions they get different 49 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:54,159 environmental exposures and we see that 50 00:01:59,109 --> 00:01:56,159 the degradation rate of some of these 51 00:02:01,429 --> 00:01:59,119 materials is not constant over time in 52 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:01,439 the space environment so actually flying 53 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:03,520 the same sample again and again is very 54 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:05,360 helpful because you may see that the 55 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:06,880 degradation 56 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,520 is is getting worse over time or is not 57 00:02:13,589 --> 00:02:12,000 as bad over a long time as you might 58 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:13,599 initially think 59 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:15,840 is two years an optimal amount of time 60 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:17,599 to to have it there and see how it's 61 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:19,280 going to behave two years is a good 62 00:02:23,270 --> 00:02:21,520 amount of time to have a space exposure 63 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:23,280 experiment 64 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:25,200 one year you can learn a lot still from 65 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:27,599 one year it depends a lot on the 66 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:29,120 experiment and what you're trying to 67 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:31,280 find out about it but having an 68 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:33,760 experiment up for one to two years is a 69 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:35,360 good amount of time because it's long 70 00:02:39,589 --> 00:02:37,760 enough to see the degradation but it's 71 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:39,599 not so long that you have to wait a 72 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:41,120 really long time to get your data and 73 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:42,640 know what's happening 74 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:44,080 can you tell us about some of the things 75 00:02:47,430 --> 00:02:45,440 some of the materials that we've learned 76 00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:47,440 how they behave how they've been used 77 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:49,920 now in spacecraft and other other things 78 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:51,840 yeah um there have been a lot of 79 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:53,440 different materials that we've learned 80 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:56,640 about the degradation and durability and 81 00:03:00,390 --> 00:02:58,560 we have had missing data that have 82 00:03:02,869 --> 00:03:00,400 impacted a whole variety of different 83 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:02,879 spacecraft programs everything from 84 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:05,360 earth observing satellites 85 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:07,599 communication satellites 86 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:10,800 lunar spacecraft our missy data even 87 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:14,159 impacted the one of the mars rovers and 88 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:15,920 we've impacted 89 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:18,000 material selection for the james webb 90 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:20,000 space telescope and some other 91 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:22,319 telescopes so the missy data has 92 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:24,239 impacted a really wide variety of 93 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:25,840 spacecraft 94 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:27,200 there are a lot of different earth 95 00:03:31,509 --> 00:03:29,360 applications from the missy flight data 96 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:31,519 for example 97 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:33,360 we learn about the 98 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:36,319 uv radiation durability materials and we 99 00:03:39,509 --> 00:03:37,760 know down on earth 100 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:39,519 sunlight comes down and can damage 101 00:03:45,030 --> 00:03:42,319 materials we also learn about more 102 00:03:47,030 --> 00:03:45,040 efficient and durable solar cells and we 103 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:47,040 can use that technology for building 104 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:49,760 more durable solar cells here on earth 105 00:03:53,110 --> 00:03:51,760 also so there are a lot of different 106 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:53,120 applications 107 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:54,879 from the missy experiments that we can 108 00:03:59,110 --> 00:03:57,280 use down here on earth in the entire 109 00:04:01,750 --> 00:03:59,120 missy program where we've had 10 110 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:01,760 different suitcases we have had hundreds 111 00:04:05,270 --> 00:04:04,000 of principal investigators flying 112 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:05,280 samples 113 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:08,560 on these packs from 85 different 114 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:11,280 organizations we have investigators from 115 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:14,400 nasa department of defense academia and 116 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:16,400 industry so many many different 117 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:18,320 participants in the missy program which 118 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:22,079 is really wonderful and very unique too 119 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:24,080 and as kim mentioned hundreds of 120 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:25,919 scientists and engineers have had 121 00:04:29,350 --> 00:04:28,160 experiments on missy and joining me now 122 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:29,360 is one of them our principal 123 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:30,560 investigator from here at marshall 124 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:31,919 miriam thinking our mary thanks for 125 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:33,199 joining us tell us about your 126 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:35,199 involvement with missy well missy has 127 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:36,000 flown 128 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:38,880 almost four thousand materials samples 129 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:41,120 in since 2001 130 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:42,960 and some of those are pure research like 131 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:45,040 from langley and from glenn but the ones 132 00:04:49,030 --> 00:04:46,960 here from marshall are ones directly 133 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:49,040 applicable to spacecraft especially 134 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:51,680 space station itself as we look at life 135 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,520 extension for space station we look at 136 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:55,360 the radiator materials the window 137 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:56,560 materials 138 00:05:00,790 --> 00:04:59,040 the space debris shielding and we look 139 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:00,800 not only to see how those are holding up 140 00:05:04,150 --> 00:05:02,320 in the space environment but also how 141 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,160 well we simulate the space environment 142 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:06,160 on the ground that if we do tests on the 143 00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:08,240 ground with new materials how well are 144 00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:10,479 we replicating that tell us specifically 145 00:05:14,790 --> 00:05:12,320 about what you've been studying okay 146 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:14,800 this is the trailing umbilical system 147 00:05:17,749 --> 00:05:15,759 cable 148 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:17,759 and this was flown for four years on 149 00:05:22,550 --> 00:05:20,720 missy 2 so we looked at how well that 150 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:22,560 held up and we 151 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:24,000 want to make sure that the astronauts 152 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:26,320 are safe when they're out on eva 153 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:29,120 and one of the nicer points 154 00:05:34,150 --> 00:05:31,199 we had last year was with don pettit 155 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:34,160 when the dragon came in to dock he made 156 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:36,160 a comment about the snow white coating 157 00:05:40,390 --> 00:05:37,600 on the dragon and that was actually a 158 00:05:42,070 --> 00:05:40,400 coating that we qualified on missy 2 for 159 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:42,080 that mission so 160 00:05:45,189 --> 00:05:44,000 it's good to make make sure that what 161 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:45,199 we're doing actually helps the 162 00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:47,520 astronauts as well as keep the space 163 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:49,520 station operating smoothly tell us about 164 00:05:53,189 --> 00:05:51,280 some other things you've looked at well 165 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:53,199 this is uh nomex this is one of the 166 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:55,039 materials that can be 167 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:00,790 the tool bags and we know now that we 168 00:06:04,629 --> 00:06:02,720 need coatings for that yeah that didn't 169 00:06:06,469 --> 00:06:04,639 that didn't hold up very well 170 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:06,479 wow that's very interesting so how long 171 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:08,639 was that on station that was four years 172 00:06:11,590 --> 00:06:09,680 four years 173 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:11,600 wow and then we're also looking at some 174 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:13,280 of the new programs especially 175 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:15,440 supporting orion and the multi-purpose 176 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:16,800 crew vehicle 177 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:18,960 james webb telescope the missions to 178 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:21,440 mars and to lunar environment 179 00:06:27,029 --> 00:06:24,960 some of the other missions to l1 and l2 180 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:27,039 so and you were also involved in missy 181 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:28,479 eight the last one that she talked about 182 00:06:31,830 --> 00:06:30,319 it just came back yes what a few months 183 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:31,840 ago and i bet you're anxious to get your 184 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:33,840 hands on yes i am all right when will 185 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:36,240 you do that um in this week 186 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:38,240 after i leave here oh